Some kind of a star over a shield, a star over PN or PSF? 11) The mark on the left is possibly an Armi San Marco logo on a 1994 pistol. The company has used this mark since it produced its first reproduction, a Colt 1851 Navy, in 1959. Rooster Cogburn. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. 0000036933 00000 n Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. The stocks have some light compressions, nicks and handling marks. 0000013906 00000 n I have a black powder 6 shot revolver with no serial numbers, proof marks or name of manufacturer or importer. There were no failures to feed, fire, or eject. 0000036564 00000 n stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG not clear. Prior to 1954 the year of proof was stamped on the guns in Arabic numerals, but this new coding system was introduced around the time of the first reproductions. 0000005051 00000 n 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n r2 e< 1{Vk)} ASM puts that info on the bottom of the frame adjacent to the barrel lug when the datecodes were alpha characters in a rectangle. 9) An early Euroarms name stamp. S/N 7171. Now well known names like Uberti, Pedersoli, Pietta, Armi Sport, Euroarms and Palmetto have set up their factories in the area along with the myriads of small specialist makers. check out the. I copied this form the CAS City forum. Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action, Sturm, Ruger Rolls Out Significant New Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles, Ruger American Long-Range Target (LRT) 8378 22 LR. The right side of the octagonal chamber is marked "CAL. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. "CAL. 0000007642 00000 n Uberti/Colt Prototype Single Action Revolvers | Colt Forum As with all previously owned firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. 0000009592 00000 n Code numbers, catalog numbers, model names, calibers and barrel lengths were detailed. Heres what we found. 0000050678 00000 n 22 HORNET. Wedge Issue: Any pointers for getting the wedge out of a Pietta 1851 Navy for the first time. Our impression was that this is how the 1860 Henry is supposed to look. I was born there LO these many years ago, but in 1977 I came to the United States, and have enjoyed FREEDOMS such as I never dreamed of as a British SUBJSCT! The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. The quality, fit, finish, smooth function, bluing and the absolutely gorgeous wood stock! and the accuracy of the Henry over my Uberti was amazing! so two years ago I bought one and have not been one tiny bit disappointed with the fact that I paid a thousand dollars more, its worth every penny and its American made. The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. It is in the 2,000 serial range and has GU mark. If you shoot a reproduction muzzle loading pistol or rifle, the chances are it was made in the Brescia area of northern Italy. All markings are from Italy in 1982. Notably, there are some minor spots of tarnish on the trigger guard and some handling wear at the muzzle. 0000003341 00000 n It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. is 1350. Once this unconstitutional law is struck down or repealed, this restriction will be removed. The rifle had the caliber marked just behind the rear sight on top of the barrel as 45 COLT. The left side of the barrel had the importers name and Ubertis name tastefully small. There were no other markings on the rifle. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. http://powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf. endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream I have .36 caliber 1851 navy model with the markings, black powder only made in Italy on the barrel and the 3 standardized proof house marks on the other side but I dont see any of the Italian makers marks, except for a name of HUBERTUS in a rectangular box. FREE! During the 1960's, 1970's, and even into the 1980's there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. Delivery of item will be in 3 - 6 business days to Continental USA. Unlike the other rifle, this one came with a comprehensive yet brief manual that told how to operate it all. By Can anyone help? Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. My first thoughts are that they may be Section 1 firearms so I would recommend that you go to a local firearms dealer and ask his advice if you do not have them on FAC. The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof JavaScript is disabled. We did not fire this pistol. Derek Landers, I have one single shot black powder handgun, percussion, brass frame steel barrel. Without seeing the pistols it is difficult to know exactly what they are. 0000051711 00000 n T^;y} 4E 0000001196 00000 n Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Two more Rifle models come in the same chamberings (342370 in 44-40 and 342360 in 45 Colt) and have the same barrel lengths as the brass ones, but they display case-hardened frames and levers and blued buttplates and list for $30 more. 0000004972 00000 n Overall Condition:The pistol retains about 95% of its metal finish. Behind that were two Italian proof marks. 0000003080 00000 n We have several U.K.Members, and would welcome more. Because the availability of 44-40 ammunition choices is fairly tight (MidwayUSA.com lists 10 choices, with only lead bullets, in weights from 200 to 225 grains), we figured if we found an 1860 we liked, wed prefer to have a wider range of loads for it, so we acquired one chambered in 45 Colt (aka Long Colt), for which MidwayUSA.com lists 56 results, in bullet weights from 145 grains to 360 grains in lead, copper, even shotshells. See Attachment 5. All of these reproductions will also be marked ITALY or MADE IN ITALY, along with a serial number, calibre and, in the case of Uberti and Pedersoli, often a catalogue number. The bottom tang has a proof mark with a "U" inside of it. 0000005072 00000 n Caliber looks like 45. The only lettering on the gun is on the left side of the barrel and reads BLACK POWDER ONLY-MADE IN ITALY-CALIBER 36. Simi Valley, CA 93065. "I'll help you down the trail and proud to!" 0000003864 00000 n Last but not least we have Euroarms, which prior to December, 2001, was known as Armi San Paolo. 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In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. Every percussion revolver that Colt made has been reproduced by one or other of these companies. Stock Configuration & Condition/ Grip:The stocks are two-piece smooth wood featuring a forend and pistol grip. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. My wife and grand kids and my kids. Manufacturer's marks on older cap & ball revolver - CAS City Nit mine but it is just like this one in the link below. >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} I understand a lot of Navy Arms guns were not made by Uberti but by other Italian companies. OCT. 16. 4) The distinctive Uberti logo. I am aware of the 1861 Whitney and the Spiller and Burr. 0000013676 00000 n I have one 4 revolving barrel handgun, percussion, double action, looks like 36 caliber. 0000004778 00000 n Remingtons bullet had a slight shoulder, which was part of the problem. http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. Another Brescia based company, Armi Sport, marks their guns with AC within a circle. Gun Review: The 1858 Remington Revolver :: Guns.com There will be a third mark alongside these two and this indicates the year that the weapon went through the proof house. I have a .44 cal B/P pistol with an logo of s inside a hexagon inside a circle. weight - 7.4 pounds (Carbine), 8.2 pounds (Sporting Rifle) 2006 MSRP - $900. COLT 1873 BUCKHORN S.A. TARGET (TMR) cal .44 Magnum. The barrel and cylinder are the usual Uberti black rather than the blue of the originals and the finish is to a high standard, indicating good polishing before the finish was applied. I guess it could be some other kind.Would like it find out who made it. Looks like if they were they would have had to do the entire gun, there are no deep gouges or deep file marks anywhere other than it looking worn. it has a dove tailed rear sight and post front sight. I hope it's at least a little bit of a lead." and another from oour friend Prarie Dawg: 0000011024 00000 n Thank you. A copy of a letter dated June 6, 1988 on the Aldo Uberti & Co. letterhead to Kevin Cherry (Cherrys, 2703 High Point Rd., Greensboro, NC 27403) showing the model (all are single action rev.), barrel length (4 , 5 , 7 and 10 inches) and caliber (.44 Mag., .22Conv., .22 LR and .22 CAL), and serial numbers of 65 revolvers. 0000109981 00000 n We found all the controls to be smooth, including the loading gate at the front of the rifle. There were ultimately 5 variations of the Remington Rolling Block pistol culminating with the Model 1871. Uberti identification | The Firearms Forum According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing, CAS, Cars, Traveling I have a.s.m.black powder only cal. 0000064924 00000 n 357 MAG." and features several Italian proof marks. The right side of the receiver is marked with the serial number "08270" and features Italian proofs including the date code "AF". This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 0000105711 00000 n We suspect itd be a delight with black powder. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. The design was sold to the US Government, but it was never adopted for use by the military despite being a mechanically sound firearm. 0000012277 00000 n We were extremely gratified to see a company making such a high-grade version of the old Henry, never mind where in the world its made. 0000039738 00000 n Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action Gunmart.net is the largest shooting resource and review based website, using the resources of Britain's biggest and most comprehensive magazines - Gun Mart, Shooting Sports and What Gun. Mine is just as you described yours, except that between the lever and lifter screws on the bottom of the receiver is the familiar Uberti symbol, A "U" inside the muzzle end of an octagon barrel. Hi, Dennis A forum community dedicated to Colt firearm owners and enthusiasts. 0000001989 00000 n 0000005085 00000 n The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. They made two versions of the Colt 1855 sidehammer revolver, one in .31 calibre and the other in .36. The gun is beautifully finished and it remains mechanically sound. Italy - Shotguns I bought a 36 Cal. Happy New Year! Pietta serial number Question | The Muzzleloading Forum Very nicely finished. 0000057470 00000 n You are using an out of date browser. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. Both these guns are very well made, not junk, both have serial numbers and also say Pat. 0000012886 00000 n Type of Finish:Blue, Case Color and Brass. A copy of a shipping manifest dated December 23, 1986 from Aldo Uberti & Co. to Colt Industries Firearms Division (Charter Oak Blvd, W. Hartford CT 06119 USA) detailing Italian Goods to be Exported. I find the Uberti's closer to the originals , and the new CNC forged frames appeal to my idea of greater strength & closer tolerances. Markings:The left side of the barrel is marked NAVY ARMS CO. RIDGEFIELD N.J. MADE IN ITALY and there are Italian proof marks at the chamber including the date code AA. 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I'm looking for information on what models of revolvers were made by Palmetto Arms. ITALY". While the action was not quite so glossy as the Henry version, it still reflected much like a mirror and was, like the barrel flats, dead flat. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. I think it is probably a newer reproduction just wanted to check safety of shooting it. how to tell Pedersoli from Pietta on 1858 Remington New Army [Archive Uberti offers versions of all three Colt Dragoon revolvers in their line-up and the one we have here is a standard civilian Second model. It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. 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